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BERNER-L Digest 301

Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 17:53:41 -0500 From: "A. Davies" To: berner-l@prairienet.org Subject: Lawn burns Message-ID:

Has anyone any miracle cures for my lawn's yellow burn spots? You know, the ones left behind when the Berner girls have been 'using' the lawn. Someone I know suggested sprinkling lime to nuetralize the acid. (Spring and Fall) I always thought lime was a poison. Any other suggestions?

Toni "Mom, if you saw the world through our eyes, you wouldn't see the difference" Cinders, Hillary Greta "I just leave a discreet spot near all the trees" Baldric

Toni Davies a.davies@sympatico.ca Quarrie Reg'd BMD Kitchener, ON, Canada

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BERNER-L Digest 302

Date: Wed, 08 May 1996 09:28:34 -0700 From: Marina Chiste To: berner-l@prairienet.org Subject: Lawn burns -Reply

Has anyone any miracle cures for my lawn's yellow burn spots?

Speaking from experience, the only thing that sometimes works is if you pour tons of water on the spot right after they pee. Otherwise you have to wait until the grass dies and just reseed it. My first dog was a Newfoundland who peed lakes! Needless to say, our lawn had to be reseeded every spring. With my Berners, I made a bathroom area for them by putting gravel down and taught them to go in that spot only. It's SO much easier and our lawn looks great! Good luck!

Marina Chiste and Sofia Lethbridge, Alberta chismm@plato.lib.uleth.ca

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Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 12:36:05 -0400 From: KYRaven@aol.com To: berner-l@prairienet.org Subject: Re: Lawn burns -Reply

Marina is right. When we moved in here and had the nursery man sod the backyard, he said that if you pour a bucket of water on the spot where the peeing just occurred, there will be no yellow spot. We have done this in the front yard, when somebody has inadvertently peed out there. It seems to be worse in the spring, when the grass is just getting re-established and is more fragile.

We are trying a new product now that supposedly has as one of its benefits the reduction of these yellow spots. We put a capful in their water bowl. It's Oxyfresh Pet Deodorizer. It's used on odors stains in the carpet, but is also for fresher breath and takes away that doggie odor they sometimes get if they haven't been bathed in ages. It's got purified deionized water and chlorophyll in it. I think it is helping the lawn and I know it has helped their breath Raven's 'manly' odor.

Kathryn Yost in Eastern New Mexico, where the sprinkler system runs every day now to keep the lawn green, since it never rains :(

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Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 01:06:10 -0400 From: BMtnDog@aol.com To: berner-l@prairienet.org Subject: Yellow spots in grass

Hi again,

Now that I've started a thread on heartworm I feel like moving on to female pee spots.

Okay, we've got this great new yard with lots of bluegrass for the dogs to play on. But, as you know, female pee creates a polka-dot pattern of yellow spots and dead grass. Since our second girl will be arriving soon, the problem is about to double. Any suggestions on how to keep a yard green with female berners around?

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Rick Lynne Robinson Indy, Heidi, Two-shoes, and Vincent Fort Collins, Colorado (970) 226-0901 bmtndog@aol.com http://members.aol.com/bmtndog/bmtndog.html

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Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 23:40:29 -0400 From: BMtnDog@aol.com To: berner-l@prairienet.org Subject: Pee Spot Suggestions

Here is a summary of the replies I got to my question about what to do about yellow spots on the yard. Since some replies were sent to me privately, I'll protect the sources!

Astroturf Pour water on spot just after pee Put lime on spot Train dog not to pee on grass Use spring water instead of tap water (no chlorine) Capful of Oxyfresh Pet Deodorizer in their drinking water bowl

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Rick Lynne Robinson Indy, Heidi, Two-shoes, and Vincent Fort Collins, Colorado (970) 226-0901 bmtndog@aol.com http://members.aol.com/bmtndog/bmtndog.html

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BERNER-L Digest 343

Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 12:48:40 -0400 (EDT) From: becktel@cris.com (Marianne Becktel) To: berner-l@prairienet.org Subject: Re: Pee Spot Suggestions

Some guy I met said that he heard one of the gardening shows' host say to give your dog some bread every day; said the yeast helps neutralize the ammonia that burns the lawn. Since we all have such bread eaters, does anyone have dogs who eat yeast-raised bread (as opposed to pita or bisquits) daily and could comment?? (mine get bread a lot but not regularly)

Marianne

Here is a summary of the replies I got to my question about what to do about yellow spots on the yard. Since some replies were sent to me privately, I'll protect the sources! Astroturf Pour water on spot just after pee Put lime on spot Train dog not to pee on grass Use spring water instead of tap water (no chlorine) Capful of Oxyfresh Pet Deodorizer in their drinking water bowl

Schatzhof Bernese...each a treasure! Bay City, Michigan

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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 18:49:06 GMT From: pamjoe@usa.pipeline.com (Pam McLaughlin) To: berner-l@prairienet.org Subject: Yellow Spots

Well, it is still a little early to be 100% certain, but it appears that the suggestion to use spring water instead of tap water to avoid female urine burning of the yard is working for me and Anka! I wasn't really sure it would work, but what was to lose? So, I went off to the store and purchased several large containers of spring water. I'm using it in Anka's water dishes and for moistening her food -- have had her on it for about a week now -- and have been trying to mark with little flags where she has stooped recently, to see if there is any browing out. Although we did have one good rain several days ago, which may have helped dilute the effect, it appears that perhaps there is some alleviation of the problem. I will keep the list posted if I determine success is indeed at hand! If this does work, I will be estatic as well as amazed!! (PS - we are on well water, which is treated for chemicals, iron, etc. - but we were still having a major problem with yellow spots -- Thanks to the party that suggested this originally -- this list continues to delight me with all sorts of great ideas and critical information!)

Pam and Joe McLaughlin EMail: pamjoe@usa.pipeline.com

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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 17:22:36 -0400 From: Saradarian@aol.com To: berner-l@prairienet.org Subject: re: Rock Retrieving and Spots: Hot and Pee

I've been so busy reading the list I haven't had time to respond to any of the notices that caught my interest. So now I'm responding to all at once. Hopefully I will keep it succinct.

Rock Retrieving - My Berner retrieves nothing; the only things she will go for is food but it is never brought back. However, my Golden Retriever cannot exist in a waking state without something in her mouth. When she was a puppy, she constantly dug up rocks and carried them around in her mouth. She would them carry them into the house. When I figured out that I had to break this habit I emptied the house of over 100 rocks I found under chairs, sofas, stove, bed, in closets, etc., etc. Two reasons to break the habit ( I did throw them too). !) She would drop the rock on me when she wanted to play (it only took once in the face for me to figure out this wouldn't last long) and 2) She was breaking her teeth off and developing abscesses and actually had to get one huge molar removed and another is on the way now (she also would occaissionally chew and successfully eat a rock). We now always have a ball when we go outside. This is not to say that she sometimes goes out to retrieve the ball and comes back with a rock and the ball. We just quietly dispose of the rock refusing to play with it. My advice, break the habit early; they only get one set of teeth.

Hot spots - I have no idea what causes the hot spots, but I can be almost 100% sure it is not from getting wet. My Berner fortunately does not suffer from hot spots and gets wet very frequently. She loves sitting out in the rain, never going into the dog house when it rains. My Golden also does not suffer from hot spots, and she is in the pond very frequently (though she hates the rain and is always in the house when it rains). I actually believe that frequent coat stimulation like brushing and towel drying helps prevent hot spots. My sister's Golden only gets them during shedding season and I believe it's because the skin can't "breathe" when the huge clumps of hair are not removed immediately.

Pee Spots - These are caused very simply by a chemical burn of the grass from whatever is in the urine. My own lawn apparently suffers a deficiency because there is usually a lush, dark green ring around the burned area. Too much of a good thing ain't good, just like too much fertilizer or too much lawn. I've seen products advertised in R.C. Steel that are supposed to prevent the burn but if you really care about what your lawn looks like, probably the best thing to do is dilute the urine. If you can't make the dogs drink copiously then just pour a lot of water on the spot immediately.

My thoughts of the week.

Kathy, Shelby and Sesame

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Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 10:17:00 -0700 From: "Kayann Fitzgerald" kayann.fitzgerald@bullivant.com To: BERNER-L@prairienet.org Subject: GREEN GRASS ANYONE???

Hi! Just a curious question to all fellow Berner owners/lovers...

Does anyone have the same problem with those ellusive "brown spots" in their lawn? Bubba (although a male neutered) insists on urinating as if he were still a wee pup. He raises his leg when we are out in parks, etc., but not at home. Recently I've undertook some "retraining" steps so he goes in our landscaped area of our yard to help eliminate (I hope) the spots. However, one cannot trust him at this point all the time. My husband and I were worried at how toxic he is to the grass - and given we live in a fairly rainy climate we're surprised the spots are as bad as they are.

We recently took Bubba to the vet for a urinalysis and were very glad we did as he had a very high phosphate level with crystal formations. Needless to say, he's now on Methioform to help and it's suppose to clear up the crystalization and help with the phosphate levels. It is also suppose to help with the brown spots. Oh, I should mention he eats Solid Gold Hundenflock - a food with no by-products.

Anyway, I am wondering if a) does anyone have any ideas to help with the lawn; b) does anyone know anything about Methioform - does it work?, etc.; and c) any suggestions to help with our lawn are greatly appreciated.

Oh, we have re-plugged the areas of the lawn which have been "infected" and have reseeded.

Thanks in advance for any information or input regarding this subject!

Wags Salutations - Kayann Bubba Kirkland, WA

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Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 14:21:54 -0400 From: Ingrid Hubbard ingrid.hubbard@postoffice.worldnet.att.net To: Berner List berner-l@prairienet.org Subject: Lawn Problems

Hi --

You can spread lyme or gypsum on the yellow spots. It neutralizes the pH and should help your lawn.

I took on my lawn this spring. I have a full agility course in my backyard, and in places, there is little grass. It was this way when I moved here 14 years ago. I spread quite a bit of lyme and gypsum. You won't believe how the grass is growing! Not very many weeds, no yellow spots, and tall grass.

You can either treat the spots or the whole yard.

Good luck. -- Ingrid Hubbard Columbus, Ohio, USA

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Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 20:22:42 -0700 From: Leslie Damski ldamski@ucla.edu To: berner-l@prairienet.org Subject: Urine burn on lawns Message-ID: 2.2.32.19970620032242.0068a3b4@pop.ben2.ucla.edu

Kayann and Bubba were worried about their grass and I can say from experience with my Bubba and Satchmo and now Bopper that dog urine does kill grass and their tendency to pee in the same place only exacerbates the problem. Plugging and reseeding is about the best method to reapir. Also, I found that if i saw a spot in the making, I would flush it for about a minute with water from the hose to dilute the urine, It worked somewhat but I could not always stay on top of the spots so I ended up reseeding anyway.

Leslie Bopper and Bubba

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Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 12:12:08 -0400 (EDT) From: TWOBERNERS@aol.com To: kayann.fitzgerald@bullivant.com Cc: berner-l@prairienet.org Subject: Re: GREEN GRASS ANYONE???

Kayann,

IMHO, this is just a common thing you will have to put up with, having a dog. I have a male female. To be quite frank, my male is trained NOT to lift his leg in the yard. This is a territorial, marking thing, and he is already territorial enough! I donot want him competeing with my female. Also it is MY yard, not his. He is allowed to lift his leg, elsewhere. So I think you are lucky. He is not trying to be the *Alfa* in your yard. I've found that the brown spots fill in, and grow back the following year. I spot seed all of the time. I also find that spreading lime, on occasion, (keep dogs off, until watered in good) helps nutralize the urine in the soil. The grass grows back much faster:) If your male lifts his leg, you will start finding yellow or dead bushes. I would rather have spots on the lawn. Anyway, to my knowledge, it has nothing to do with breed, sex, or urine content. It's just another thing we humans must tolerate for the love of our dogs. Hope this helps:)

Kathy, Toby, Sophie Tucker the gang! Gee mom, we'd use the toilet, if we could! Long Island NY P.S. Some of my friends have their dogs trained to eliminate in one area only:)

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Subject: About the bernewf/some advice Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 15:19:22 -0500 From: Suzanne Hartigan SHARTIG@wpo.it.luc.edu To: berner-l@prairienet.org

Sorry to respond to this so late but I don't get to my mail until Tuesdays. After I read the story by Dottie about her bernewf, and saw the description of it, I swore I had seen that dog somewhere before. I have a 365 day dog calendar that has snapshots of different dogs. I remember flipping through it and seeing a dog that fits that description (I thought it was a berner at first until I noticed no rust). I think it is in one of the winter months (It was laying in snow). When I go home today I am going to find out what the name on it was. I remember that there was no breed name on it like they usually do when it is a purebred. But there was a dog's name and I think the owner's name. It would be interesting to know if that dog came from the same "breeder" that Dottie got her dog. Has anyone asked of you-- DOTTIE-- what the name of the berner parent was so someone could possibly track where the berner parent came from and warn the original berner breeder where their dog is. I know these situations are a breeders worst nightmare, having their pups fall into the hands of these puppymill people. Good luck in your quest Dottie, I'm glad to hear that you have educated yourself so well. I hope more people take the time to educate themselves like you did.

I want to also let you all in on a secret that I found. For those of you who's dogs (male or female) burn the grass when they pee, I found that putting a heaping amount of baking soda in a watering can and sprinkling the area that was recently peed on (right after or the damage will already be done) will neutralize the uric acid. It also kills the smell. Unfortunately, it will not save grass already burned. I'm thinking of sprinkling straight baking soda on the grass before the first snow (since pouring water on snow on makes it freeze ;) ) to see if it helps prevent problems for next spring. If anyone else has tried this or has other suggestions I will be grateful. Plus just let me know if there is anyone who wants an area defoliated, Zurich can do it in no time.

Suzanne and Zurich the Defoliator p.s. Zurich wants to wish his mom Zytta, Happy Birthday (9-18) and congrats to his dad Winston on his big Canadian wins!!!! :)

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Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 21:48:21 -0700 From: Todd Zaayer (tzaayer@adnc.com) To: berner-l@prairienet.org Subject: controlling urine odor Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 20:55:02 Didn't see this in the last digest-sorry if it appears twice. To: berner-l From: Todd Zaayer Subject: controlling urine odor Sherry, when we first moved back to San Diego from Denver, we rented a house with a small yard (actually more of a brick patio surrounded by landscaping) with a "dog run" area along the side yard, that was dirt covered w/bark. That was the only place for our then three dogs to "do their business". Within a few months, the urine odor got pretty concentrated, so I had to do something, or we couldn't enjoy the yard. I found a product called "Spot Not" made by Zema that is an enzymatic cleaner (like Nature's Miracle) for outdoor use. It comes in a 128 fl. oz. bottle with a hose sprayer attachment that dilutes it while you spray the yard. It works wonderfully, and is biodegradeable, non-toxic and environmentally safe. One bottle lasts a long time, since it's concentrated. The only catalog I've found it in is Foster Smith (800-826-7206) and it sells for $25.99. I've used it a few times in our current yard when one of the dogs had diarrhea and I had to hose it into the lawn. I followed that up with a hosing down of the whole lawn with the "Spot Not" to gobble up any "leftovers" (ew-sorry for the gory details). Hope this helps. Jennifer Zaayer and Crombie, Dash, Fio and Dunford --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 05:51:19 EDT From: Junco9@aol.com To: berner-l@prairienet.org Subject: Re: Grass destruction Someone at obedience class told my daughter, who has an 18-month-old Berner female named Kali, that we could prevent yellow spots on the lawn by adding a few tablespoons of tomato juice to Kali's food at each meal. I didn't keep to the regimen long enough to test its efficacy. (Keeping tomato juice on tap was a problem.) If I can ever remember to buy tomato juice again, I will freeze it in an ice cube tray and store the cubes in a plastic bag to dole out. If it works, it sure beats replacing the lawn piece by piece. Alma Johnson Seattle WA junco9@aol.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Subject: Re: no yellow grass?- Fertility and Bakers dozen !! Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 20:27:44 +1000 From: "Kim Haddon" zeigen@ozemail.com.au To: "Karen Pickel" pegleg@rapidnet.com , "'Bernese Mountain Dog Mailing List'" berner-l@prairienet.org

Karen Wrote:

Anyone have any experience with those products that you add to the dog's food that help with the yellow urine spots on the grass?

Hi Karen, I`m still here, just very, very busy.!!!.............. but I read your post and I`m sorry to say I too, must have missed the previous discussion on this. However - years ago, we used to give our German Shepherds "Apple Cider Vinegar" - which was supposed to cleanse the system, aid in fertility and as a bonus - stop those lovely yellow patches in the lawn, amoungst a few other benefits of which I can no longer remember. This was told to us by an old thoroughbred horse trainer, who was actually recommending it initially, to aid in fertility in one of my sister`s mares.

Incidentally, we did try this remedy in the mares drinking water - and this seemingly baron mare with cysts on her ovaries, foaled the following year. (Her only foal ever produced).

Following this, I regularly give apple Cider Vinegar to all my dogs (all 11 of them), and have very little, if any yellow patches in the lawn.......... and have very few fertility problems, either with my males or females.

Coincidence ??? I don`t know, but certainly worth a try!

By the way I don`t know if this constitutes a brag - but two of my darlings -(Katie and Vandal) were naturally procreating (totally unaided) on the top of my raised septic tank (their choice) - and the final result on Friday was a litter of THIRTEEN naturally whelped puppies. 7 boys and 6 girls. Unfortunately we lost a male at birth - so we went from a "Bakers dozen" to twelve live little guys. Naturally I am supplement feeding all the puppies every four hours, just to see them on their feet for the first few days and then I will gradually let the bitch do more of the work. This is my second litter consisting of thirteen. My first litter was out of Katie`s grandmother and my foundation bitch "Heidi".

Guess you can`t half tell that I`m a tinsy bit proud of them................. and to all those Australian Berner people that know me - Yes, I will sing another generation of Zeigen Berner Babies, my "Pupae Pup" song. I am limbering up the vocal calls already, as I contentedly hold the paddling little Berner Baby suckling at the bottle. I`m in heaven ! ...............Sleep deprived............but heaven. Hoo Roo from this busy little vegemite. Kim Haddon. "Zeigen Bernese" Australia.

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Subject: save my lawn from berner pee Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:29:47 -0600 From: "Mary Rogers" To: Bernese Mountain Dog Mailing List berner-l@prairienet.org

Please, please, reconsider not giving your dogs any products/chemicals/drugs to change their urine PH.

Why not treat the lawn instead?

Lawns are not as important to me than my dog's health.

-Mary Rogers marybill@verinet.com http://verinet.com/~marybill/

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Subject: RE: Save My Lawn from Berner Pee Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 20:40:44 -0700 From: "SnoBear" snobear@jps.net To: berner-l@prairienet.org

Hi, I see in Drs. Fosters Smith supply catalog there are four products, two to put in the dog (orally) 2 you put on the lawn. The problem in the urine (according to them.) is the nitrogen due to the protein in the dogs diet. Obviously we can't take that out ! The 2 Oral products are called: "Gee Whiz", Green-UM. The on the grass products are: Dog Patch, Dogonit Lawn Treatment. I would ask for other people's opinions on the safety of the oral products, and the success rate with the lawn products. I have NEVER used any of them. It just caught my eye because we put down extensive turf was wondering about those nasty yellow spots myself. Foster's Smith (Vets wholesale pet supply catalog owners)say, " Green UM is a tablet treat given directly to the pet, while G-Whiz is a liquid that is mixed with the pets food. Both of these alter the urine to effectively decrease the amount of free nitrogen present. The body still eliminates unwanted potentially harmful wastes, but the form is changed and the grass protected. Dogonit is a liquid that is sprayed on the effected grass that reverses the effect of the excess nitrogen allowing the grass to return to it's normal color and growth levels. Dog Patch is similar to Dogonit, but also has grass seed in it to start new grass growing in severely damaged areas." They recommend treating the yard, the dog. You can call them toll free at: 1(800) 826-7206 I'd want to know what is in the oral products ask my vet about the safety of it. I'd also ask Foster's Smith how long this has been on the market, is it natural or synthetic. If anyone has used any of these, or checked with their vet on the safety of the oral products, or had success with the lawn treatments, I'd be interested in hearing.

Hope this info helps you, I am NOT promoting using any of it, just stating what I saw available. My dog's safety comes before eliminating the spots. (As I'm sure you feel the same.) Need more research I think. Any one else with input ??

Mary Chapdelaine SnoBear Berners California, USA snobear@jps.net

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Subject: Doggie Urine Lawns Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 23:19:41 -0700 From: bernese2@pacbell.net To: Bernese Mountain Dog Mailing List berner-l@prairienet.org

The absolute best thing for your lawn and getting rid of those ugly yellow urine spots is MORE water! More water for the dog and the lawn.... We have automatic sprinklers that run for 30 minutes every morning, then I sprinkle more on it in the afternoon..... I also make sure the dogs have access to drinking water everywhere! In the house, the yard, the garage etc. If your lawn is burned beyond repair, you might want to dig out the spots that are badly burnt and put "spot repair" in those areas, you can purchase these boxes at any Nursery, Home/Lawn Care Center, Wal-Mart etc. I've heard clients say they've taught their dogs to "go" in certain areas of the lawn.... Hope this helps....

Peg McQueary Reg. Vet. Tech Shingle Springs, Ca. Thundering Pines Bernese

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Subject: Re: save my lawn from berner pee Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:10:04 -0400 From: Molly Bass mcb7k@virginia.edu To: angela@planet10.v-wave.com, berner-l berner-l@prairienet.org References: 1

Hi Angela,

Until I experienced it I never would have believed it but well water or spring water works wonders! When this discussion came up on the list in previous years, there had been the recommendation to go with spring water. I recently moved to my new house which is on well water. There are no additives in the water such as chlorine, etc. When the health department tested it they found it was pure with no traces of anything. Recently someone asked me if I was experiencing yellow spots and dead spots in my new yard where the girls were peeing and I realized I wasn't. I then started watching the exact areas where they were going and they tend to go in the same places over and over. The grass looks awesome! I have not changed their diets at all - the only change has been going from city water to well water and I am now a true believer!!!

Molly and the gang! Charlottesville, VA

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Subject: "Lawn care" Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 12:18:27 -0700 From: "Leonard Bergstein" beau@primenet.com To: "Bernese Mountain Dog Mailing List" berner-l@prairienet.org

In response to "yellow/burn" spots in your lawn; There is a product I use called Dogonit, it is a spray of natural enzymes that counteracts the burning that occurs from dog urine. It is totally organic, and I find that it works very well. I just spray it on the grass after Cosmo does his thing. Since I've started using it a month ago, almost all of the burn spots have healed. The mfg. has a website with more info: www.millenniumlawns.com

Len, Meryl, Cosmo, new Border Collie puppy, K.C.!

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Subject: Damage from Dog Urniation on Lawns Date: 13 Mar 00 09:03:43 PST From: DR Ossy ossydr@netscape.net To: berner-l@prairienet.org CC: amadeley@dove.net.au

Hello,

There has been some discussion on the effects (Chemically) and problems with dog urine. The "yellowing spots" are not caused by nitrogen on @98% of the fescues found here in the United States. When you look at most fertilizers they show a chemical rating of the strengths (NPK) of 3 components - Nitrogen, Potassium, Phosphorus. Canine urine is approximately 3-8-2, and if you consider that most fertilizers (Ammonium Sulfate) used on lawns are 26-0-0, and these are a fast release, and do not have a negative effect (i.e. yellowing).

The problems that you speak about are with the Ph and the other components (i.e. salts) of urine. These materials kill the small cells on the root system fairly quickly (within 3-5 minutes)and that is what leads to the yellow patches on lawns.

The best way to eliminate these problems is to do as you state - rinse the area, but in many cases after the dog reaches 3 years of age, the chemical formulation of urine changes and it no longer affects the fescue.

Dr. Robert Ossy Woodbridge, CA

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Subject: cooler and grass spots Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 06:55:02 EDT From: "K. R." kt2384@hotmail.com To: Berner-l@prairienet.org

Dear List, Yes, it has definitely gotten cooler, at least here in New England. We've been going down to the forty-degree mark nightly now. Frankly I don't understand how Pat Tackett can stand 107 degrees out, as I consider 80 to be 'very warm'. Also, I discovered a very easy solution to the yellow grass spots. Just add a half cup to a cup of tomato juice to their food every day. The dogs love the taste, and no more brown spots! (I honestly have no idea how this works, but about a year ago (?) I remember there being a discussion on the list about it, and that's where I got the tomato-juice tip, so check the archives out as well.) -Katherine Ryan and Dakota Wayland, MA

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Subject: grass burn spots Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 10:15:14 -0400 From: "Michelle Schaerf" michelle@actcda.com To: "Bernese Mountain Dog Mailing List" berner-l@prairienet.org

We live in an area where everyone "covets" their green grass. I too was concerned about all the "burn" spots that our Bentley was causing and our neighbours Australian shepperd is also a "grass burner", (excuse the pun)! I am hesitant to suggest that you put something in your dog's water or food that is suppose to "balance" out the PH levels in the urine. I don't think it is in your dog's best interest. It is my uderstanding that this help to destroy bad bacteria in your dog's urinary tract. I can share with you how my neighbours along with us handle the problem....we take our dogs out for a pee with a watering can in hand and douse the area they pee in with water to dilute the strength of their urine. This seems to alleviate the problem, however just in case we missed a pee, we also keep a ready supply of grass seed and soil on hand and "patch" any burn marks as they appear. For those who are a multi-dog family, this routine may be next to impossible! Our grass is "burn" free, however we usually have about 2-3 small patches at any given time that have grass seed germinating! Good Luck. Does anybody have a solution to burned grass from my Berner's urine. We have tried Green-UM and G-Whiz with no results. We used to have the nicest yard in the neighborhood but now it is loaded with spots. We don't have much room to dedicate a special spot for her. If there are no other ideas, we may have to do just that. Rosie Baldwin bnrbaldwin@home.com

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Subject: Re: grass burn spots Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 11:41:49 -0400 From: "Dean S. Scott" dsscott@lucent.com Organization: Lucent Technologies To: berner-l@prairienet.org

Does anybody have a solution to burned grass from my Berner's urine. We have tried Green-UM and G-Whiz with no results. We used to have the nicest yard in the neighborhood but now it is loaded with spots. We don't have much room to dedicate a special spot for her.

I add about a 1/2 cup of tomato juice to every dogs food. I also keep a bucket of granular lime. This is a gray limestone crystal about the constancy of grapenut cereal. This is not the same as the white powder that farmers spread on fields to change the PH. This type of lime changes the acidity of the soil quickly and can irritate the eyes and skin. If I see an area of grass that is turning brown or is over stressed by ruff play I sprinkle a little granulated lime on the spot. This appears to be safe and not harmful to the dogs skin or eyes. I have never had a dog problem using this product and, I have been doing this for 20 years with good success. The key is to catch it early. It is easier to repair damage grass than it is to start new grass with big dogs. Every time I try to grow new grass in the dogs play area, I fence off the area for 4-6 months, I get a lush green grass started, I remove the fence and within a week I am back to dirt. Oh well. Good luck!

Dean Scott Kutztown, Pa www.users.fast.net/~dsscott

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Subject: Re: grass burn spots Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 13:03:49 EDT From: CTsweetie24@aol.com To: berner-l@prairienet.org

In a message dated 9/7/00 11:43:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time, dsscott@lucent.com writes:

I add about a 1/2 cup of tomato juice

You can also try cranbury juice!

riana Walton Family Including: Heidi the Berner Max the English Setter Bear the Chow Mix Connecticut, USA 860-455-2104