from the berner-l

Thu, 1 Feb 1996 19:51:24 -0500 (EST)
Hello everybody!

To answer Pam Getek question about acupuncture I can say that we had pretty good results with our beloved but displatic "Loki". First, she had about 10 treatments of regular acupuncture(with needles) with very subtil improvement. After that, we tried the implantation of minuten gold beads which definitively helped. She was like a new dog, running, jumping and even trotting (she had never done that before, only bunny hopping!). All this exercise resulted in a better musculature to support her bad hips. This last treatment was performed by our veterinarian and cost $350(can.dollars). We would do it again tomorrow!

Annie St-Louis
with Léa, Loki and Elfi) Québec, Canada

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Re: Help for Julee (Melissa Bartlett)
Wed, 8 May 1996 21:40:14 -0700
Dear Julie

I tried adequen with Panda who has bad dysplasia. She seemed to get some relief but not dramatically so. At one point I had a vet who worked with racehorses do accupuncture and moxi (smoke and heat treatment) for 6 weeks on Panda and it seemed to help quite a bit for reducing pain and getting around. It was a little improvement each week. It wasn't cheap either and it's hard to find an experienced person to do the treatments.melissa

BERNER-L Digest 363
re: Acupunture
Jim Diamond
Tue, 9 Jul 1996 09:27:01 -0300

Theresa Herman (or should I say "THERESA HERMAN" :-) asked about acupuncture. When my wife was in university she had a summer job taking care of a St. Bernard (yeah, yeah, it wasn't a BMD, but at least it's Swiss) which had been hit by a car (a Rolls, actually, the dog was from the rich part of town) and had had its back broken. The dog had no ability to use its back legs or its tail when my wife first saw it. At one point she and the owner took it to a doggie acupuncturist who did his work. While this guy was doing his stuff the dog started wagging its tail! To make a long story short, it seemed that the acupuncture made a quick and significant improvement in this dog's condition.

I'd say it's worth a try. Jim Diamond

Re: Acupuncture
Pat Long
Tue, 09 Jul 1996 19:10:51 -0700

A dippy friend of mine had an ancient mixed breed about the size of a lab who was horribly crippled with arthritis. He had accupuncture done on the dog and I was amazed at the difference it made, the dog was moving like a 2 yo instead of a 14 yo! It seemed to last for long enough that the treatment was reasonable, it needed to be repeated every several months or so, but it was an absolute miracle to see the difference.

Pat Long Crew Phila PA

BERNER-L Digest 365
acupuncture/personality question
"Binay Cahn"
Thu, 11 Jul 96 09:33:30 EST

first things first:

on the acupuncture issue

my family mutt, "omie" (from "oma" grandmother in German), had arthritis at the ripe old age of 17 years old. She had been falling frequently and we took her for acupuncture treatment. Omie came home as a new woman! She actually tried to jump on the couch again, ran around in circles, and was walking well. It worked really well. My pharmacist father said that acupuncture needles for dogs has vitamin B12 in it, and his theory was that it was the B12 in the needles that did the trick. My mom and I didn't care what it was -- B12, the needles, whatever -- because boy was Omie looking and feeling better....It worked for us! On another note: I'd like to know what people think about personality in berners. Do you think it is genetic or learned from experiences? (Did we discuss this already, I can't remember)

...Please respond on the Berner-L so everyone can learn hear/see opinions expressed.

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Re: BERNER-L digest 362
Eric and Susan Shawn
Mon, 15 Jul 1996 21:39:58 +0000

A friend of mine has a malamute/wolf mix, a huge dog that has had alot of hip pain due to displasia. One surgery that I know of. The dog is now about 8-9 years old, and slipping. However, they took her to an acupuncturist when the dog could hardly move, and now she is up on her feet, froliking around, going for walks, and generally acting like a dog that feels pretty good. It's nice to see. Good luck.

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Re: HELP- Here we go again
Andrea Madeley
Sat, 03 Aug 1996 15:14:32 +0930 wrote:
Hi B-lers

I have no good news to report. For anyone unfamiliar with my saga I am stumped and dont know what to do next.

Any suggestions welcome.
Do our Berner-L Vets have anything to suggest?
Thanks in advance
Joan Gracie and Georgie
..."Mom..when do I get to run and play again? Never?"
Hi Joan,

I thought I would mention that I too got sick of the Asprin for Aari my Berner. I went to accupuncture and it worked well at easing the discomfort. Aparently it goes to increasing the blood supply to the joints etc and this also works as a healing agent...many vets disagree with this method of medicine - but hey - Aari was confirmed to be suffering "Degeneration of the shoulder joint" [OCD]. I stuck with my gut instincts and went for treatment via "Cartrophen" + "Cartiflex" plus "accupunture" and REST. The result the last 2 Xrays showed joint stable and Aari has not limped now for 3 months [he was lame from 6 months - 9 months on and off but always on a regular basis]. I can not say what worked as we did so many things...but it doesn't matter to me...for the first time since he was a puppy he can run free - no limping!!! It was a joy. I accept Aari may have arthritis in the joint eventually - but he would if we operated too - once you start messing around with the joints??!! I guess also the severity of his condition was not so bad - otherwise I would have gone for the surgery in a second. I Might add X-rays often don't show's when you repeat them on a regular basis that changes are detected. Good Luck mate...keep your chin up...try whatever you can...Your Aussie Mate, Andrea Madeley

BERNER-L Digest 571
Re: Gold implants for hip dysplasia (Barbara Grasso)
Sun, 26 Jan 1997 05:24:59 -0500 (EST)

Gold implants (tiny beads of gold injected with a syringe) are working extremely well in dogs for hip/elbow/shoulder problems. A veterinarian who specializes in acupuncture is need as the correct site has to be known to place the bead. It is totally noninvasive as opposed to the major surgeries.As with any medical field, a specialist that is a surgeon is going to advise surgery.

It is up to the consumer to determine their options and not be intimidated by the professionals. Some of us come from the generation that doctors were "gods" and have a hard time realizing that we do have choices, can get second opinions and then make our own decisions. Barbara Grasso

DeGrasso's Bernese Mt Dogs Rottweilers Virginia, USA

BERNER-L Digest 787
Arthritic Berner
Sat, 05 Jul 1997 21:59:20 -0400

A six month old Berner had a severely roached back and could barely support himself. He was totally dysplastic. Surgery was risky and the owner of the dog was open to exploring alternative treatments. Tiny, gold-plated beads about three-quarters of an inch under the dog's skin were permanently implanted. After one visit, the dog stopped hunching and wobbling. One more visit and he was normal. That was three years ago and the dog has been fine ever since and has earned his CD and is taking dance lessons. 80% of the arthritic dogs implanted by this vet. recover completely. (I shall continue exploring this subject tomorrow including its relevancy to epilepsy) Good night all!from AKC GAZETTE 7/97

Lisa Allen
Arthritic Berner
Sun, 06 Jul 1997 15:26:23 -0400

Terry Durkes, DVM of Marion, Indiana has gold-plated bead implanted over 1,000 arthritic dogs and 100 to 200 epileptic dogs. He says 80% of the arthritic dogs he implants recover completely, while 60% of epileptic dogs no longer require medication. Another 20% of epileptic dogs live seizure-free on reduced medication. 20% cannot be helped. Next, an explanation of Chinese medicine. Very soon.from "AKC Gazette" 7/97

Lisa Allen
Chinese medicine
Sun, 06 Jul 1997 19:53:00 -0400

Chinese medicine approaches healing through the concept of ch'i, or life-force energy, traveling along distinct meridians, or channels, throughout the body. The meridians run in pairs and are associated with major organs. When the ch'i is flowing, the body is well. But if there is an imbalance or a blockage, disease can occur. Each meridian has a number of reflex points. By inserting thin needles, acupuncturists stimulate these points (which have been mapped out for dogs as well as humans), causing benefits such as increased circulation to an area, decreased inflammation, stimulation of nerves, relief of muscle spasms, and the release of endorphins and hormones that help the body heal itself. from "AKC Gazette" 7/97 to be continuedLisa Allen

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Arthritic Berner-Chinese Medicine
Pecans Mon, 07 Jul 1997 13:20:52 -0400

Durkes says that needles would have helped the Berner but would have required about 5 to 10 initial sessions, and tune-ups the rest of his life. Because of the nature of the Berner's malady, beads were a better choice. He injected the beads into the same points the needles would have stimulated. The beads work like needles, but they keep working, 24 hours a day. Durkes developed this technique in 1975. Durkes says that Chinese acupuncturists discovered that if they used gold needles, they could heal alkaline disorders better. So Grady Young, a Thomasville, GA veterinarian tried implanting gold beads into animals. It worked so well that he and Durkes developed a procedure that Durkes now teaches to other veterinarians. Durkes says that dogs are arthritic or epileptic because parts of their bodies are too alkaline. He claims the gold in the beads shoots acidic energy through the acupuncture channels and neutralizes the alkaline spots.from 7/97 "AKC Gazette"

Lisa Allen
to be continued

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Re: Arthritic Berner-Chinese Medicine
Tue, 08 Jul 1997 08:48:05 -0400
Pecans wrote:

Craig Smith, DVM who is a staff consultant to the American Veterinary Medical Association says that the AVMA considers these acupunctural implants as an integral part of veterinary medicine but that there has been little actual research on the effectiveness of beads. Norwegian vet R.A. Thoreson got "excellent results" treating 50 dogs for hip dysplasia. A Danish vet got "very positive" results with 400 such dogs, says David Jaggar, a vet in Louisville, Colo. who is certified in acupuncture. Neither of these studies has been published yet. Durkes says gold beading only helps alkalosis conditions. If a dog has a ruptured disc, or another acidosis condition, the gold implants would actually make it sicker. He warns that gold implants may stimulate cancer to grow more. Jaggar remarks that there is no proof that implanting makes cancer better or worse. Durkes says that implants are not a cure-all and that if a dog's disease is too advanced that they won't help. from 7/97 "AKC Gazette"

Lisa Allen
to be continued

Arthritic Berner-Chinese Medicine
Tue, 08 Jul 1997 13:26:14 -0400

Spencer M. Newman, a vet in Atlanta, learned beading from Durkes but has not used it on any of his patients yet. He admits that it is a valid way to treat dogs and that in some cases it seems to be the only beneficial way but that he would have to heavily sedate or totally anesthetize the dogs. He states that most of his hip dysplasia patients are old and that there would be too much risk that they would get sick or die from the anesthetic. Newman says that if he only used a local anesthetic, the dogs might move while he was inserting the beads. "If the beads were even slightly off, they'd either go nowhere and do nothing, or they'd go to the wrong acupuncture point and have an undesirable effect." Durkes asserts that there is no safety risk if the beads end up in the wrong place. He has trained about 500 vets worldwide, but says only about 20 are practicing the method in the United States. He advises that you make sure that you only use veterinarians certified by the International Veterinary Acupuncture Society and that you ask the veterinarians if they have done implants on their patients and that you ask for what conditions the dogs were treated and what the results were. Durkes can be reached at 317-664-0734. For a list of veterinarians certified in acupuncture, send a self-addressed, stamped envelope to the International Veterinary Acupuncture Society at 2140 Conestoga Road Chester Springs, PA 19425. from "AKC Gazette" 7/97

Lisa Allen